The Daily Spurgeon

If this is not allowed on this site, please tell me; I would like to start this devotional section. This is merely for reading and contemplating - if you really want to critique, may I ask that you start a new topic ex. ‘Critique of the Daily Spurgeon’. Thank you.

Here’s the first one:

From the Daily Spurgeon (an apl. on Facebook):

…I know a man who was as stingy a soul as could be, once, and now he is as generous a man as walks God’s earth. There is another, he was not immoral, but he was passionate, and now he is as quiet as a lamb. It is grace that has altered these characters, and yet you tell me that this is a fiction! I have not patience to answer you. A fiction! If religion does not prove itself to be true by these facts, then do not believe it; if it does not, when it comes into a neighborhood, turn it upside down, sweep the cobwebs out of its sky, clean the houses, take the men out of the public-houses; if it does not make swearers pray, and hard-hearted men tender and compassionate, then it is not worth a button. But our religion does do all this, and therefore we boldly say, it is not a vain thing.

From a sermon entitled “Religion - Reality!,” delivered June 22, 1862

I for one must object to this in the strongest possible terms and on the same essential grounds that I would object to a homoeopath posting advertisements here. Or to a lecher posting child pornography. This is a forum for sceptical discussion, not in-your-face proselytisation. There are in any case many other Internet resources where such materials can be had by those who seek them. Let them go there instead.

'Luthon64

Fixed it for ya …

…I know a man who was as stingy a soul as could be. He asked himself: “Why am I losing all my friends?” and someone said onto him, " Because you’re a miserly old fart, you idiot", and now he is as generous a man as walks the earth. There is another, he was not immoral, but he was passionate, and now he is as quiet as a lamb. Lobotomies rule. The end.

Mintaka

OHA.

You are a liar and a fraud.

Pretending to seek knowledge when all you want to do is leave your lies lying all around the internet and sell your bullshit.

The most serious problem of people who promote skepticism and reason is that they are way too tolerant of the evil people amongst us.

I object to your assumption that atheists have, by definition, lower or even other, moral values than religious people.

I don’t mind people posting their proselytisation here, on one condition: All statements must be accompanied by solid evidence and/or reliable sources.

In addition, when statements are questioned, a counter argument must be provided. We have all posted our opinions here and had to back it up when challenged. In cases where other people’s positions are stronger, we had to admit it and change our perception.

I would think that this goes for all topics on this forum.

I object to being subjected to a multitude of sermons and after taking the time to study it, think about it and reply to it, I do not receive the same courtesy.

This is however the case with religious debates.

Aren’t you glad that Christians at least cherry-pick some of the positive morals from the Bible, however basic they may be. What they are telling us is that they would run wild if it wasn’t for God. (As long as they don’t start stoning their children when they’re naughty! This part they must ignore.)

I also strongly object to people predicting some sort of agony or hell, questioning my morals or being prejudice in any way because our opinions differ, especially if they cannot back up their position.

OHA, you’ve assumed a big responsibility on behalf of the Christian community. I hope you can live up to expectations.

Good luck.

Sentinel

Sentinel, the person who wrote the above has respect neither for the forum’s rules (assuming that they have even read them), nor for its intent and spirit, nor for the people who post here. Why? Because the above is nothing less than a thinly-veiled request for special considerations, i.e. that such citations should be exempt from critique where they occur. That is what I objected to.

And still do. Vigorously.

'Luthon64

Very well, I will not post another Daily Spurgeon.

[OHA.

You are a liar and a fraud.

Pretending to seek knowledge when all you want to do is leave your lies lying all around the internet and sell your bullshit.

The most serious problem of people who promote skepticism and reason is that they are way too tolerant of the evil people amongst us.]

Now, where would you find a true born-again Christian responding in like manner to an Atheist, Skeptic etc.?

What about you, pretending to seek knowledge and closing your mind to God?

Evil? in a similar request to prove God, could you please provide proof that evil exists, and what your objective non-personal source for this is? I mean if there is no absolute objective outside measure for what is evil/good, who’s to say your evil is not my good or vice versa?

Hmm… that one almost slipped past me.

I agree. I’d rather go to church it I wanted to listen to unquestioned sermons.

Fred Phelps
George Bush Snr.
The Bible - Rev 21:8

@ OHA
I don’t see why this would be productive at all, but feel free to post in the appropriate sections. As with all topics, forum members are entitled to ignore or reply as they please.

I’d like to remind everyone of the rules. I think these two apply here:

  • Treat posters with respect. Even if you don’t agree with her/his arguments. Take on her/his ideas, not the person.
  • Back up arguments with evidence. No idea is safe from discussion, but you have to use solid reasoning for anyone to take you seriously.

As always these are up for discussion. If you feel a poster is doing something wrong, please use the ‘report to moderator’ link at the bottom of the post. I cannot always read everything :wink:

There is a special flame wars section where some of these topics might end up if they deserve it >:D
A bible verse on a skeptical forum, lacking any sort of argument is an excelent way to start one…

PS. OHA, I see you use square brackets to quote other posters - which I guess is fine, but using the ‘quote’ BBC tags might make it a bit more visible :wink:

:smiley: Like this? >:D

Exactly like that!

Ps. congrats with the full membership ( Dancing banana not found )

Mintaka

Yippie!


Evil? in a similar request to prove God, could you please provide proof that evil exists, and what your objective non-personal source for this is?

“good” and “evil” are concepts of value and they apply exclusively to living organisms. What is pro life is considered (generally) to be good and what is contra life is generally considered evil.

Religion can be shown to be contra life because none of its claims re prayers, a loving god, life after death, creation are substantiated in reality. People only succeed in maintaining and enhancing their lifes insofar as they act rationally and logical. Note that even believers have to eat to live, put fuel in the cars to drive and cant jump off building without the law of gravity reducing them to an appropriate shape. In fact christians consider anything that is pro-god (according to their judgement and dictates of their particular god) as good. It was for the good of the gods that millions of people were killed in history and it was to the glory of god that Augustine argued that one should burn the house of a sinner with all in it because it was for the glory of god.
I mean if there is no absolute objective outside measure for what is evil/good, who’s to say your evil is not my good or vice versa?

Now believers may claim that ‘their good’ may be ‘my evil’ but that is nonsense and amounts to nothing except an empty claim.

...and what your objective non-personal source for this is
  1. are you asking if i have a holy book from which i quote? the answer is no. Since i am objective i cannot give you an objective and non-personal source except logic. I realise that most people require some authoritative source (meaning a book published by someone, somewhere) but as you most probably dont know, such books are the ideas and thoughts of other people that may or may not be objective (demonstrable).
I mean if there is no absolute objective outside measure for what is evil/good, who's to say your evil is not my good or vice versa?

This line should have been a quote in the above reply.

But since i had to do this post to correct the error i may as well reply:

,b>IF there is no absolute objective ourside measure… IF my auntie had bls she would have been my uncle (as the saying goes).

But there are many absolute objective outside measures… try living without food or water; try jumping off a building with god holding your hand; tell a child god will always protect her…dont have to look when crossing a street…try holding your breath forever, try killing someone, plead relativity of values as a defense…