Uhuru

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Personally I think “something” like this could happen, if the country was down for lets say 7 days an people are morning Mr. Mandela, yes a lot of other things could happen, but this sound rather realistic to me???

Here is a link to video clips of Mr Gustav Muller’s DVD on youtube and to be honest what he says does make sense and we not just talking about “ühuru”, there is so much going on in the wolrd, would it hurt to have some petrol and food reserves?

http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&q=gustav+muller+youtube&meta=

::slight_smile:

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No, it won’t. And it could also come in handy for when the mushroom aliens arrive and start zapping BP’s and SPAR’s ::slight_smile:
How can groundless speculation and conspiracies based on paranoia and uncritical thinking be good for the country?

I can’t watch those youtube video atm, due to time and bandwidth issues, I’d appreciate it if you can post some of the more convincing arguments of Gustav Muller so we can discuss them.

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Thanks for your smart reply…

This is not a conspiracy… I would like to actually give you the DVD and then hear what your thoughts are. I would rather stick to facts, so keep the aliens out of this. ;D

Have you seen Jericho? What would our country be like if the infrastructure was no more, what would happen the majority of our country morn for 7 days and not go to work, yes we need them to run this place , don’t we?

I don’t know if you have seen the documentary by Al Gore and you probably think that that is also propaganda or conspiracy…

If you haven’t watched the DVD, how could you know what you’re talking about?

And what would they “Die Suidlanders” have to gain from this, they’re not asking for money, they’re not asking anyone to take up arms? All they’re saying is to prepare for something if you see the signs…

if you are on the beach and you see a big wave coming in, are you going to sit there and say it’s just another wave and ignore it or joke about it, or rather move back so that you don’t get hit by it?

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Well, then I suggest you pack for a long, cold stay on Antarctica. Why? Because HIV can’t survive there. HIV is a virus. Viruses mutate. Viruses proliferate. That’s what they do best. There’s a chance that HIV could produce an airborne strain by such mutation. Then we’ll all get AIDS and die slow, horrible deaths from a plethora of secondary afflictions.

More importantly, however, our government does its fair share of denial about that one too, so it must be true, mustn’t it?

See, that’s the problem with this hooey. It’s ill-founded scaremongering that can only serve to provoke unnecessary suspicion and obstruction. Unless, that is, you would care to present Gustav Muller’s more persuasive arguments, as bluegray V has requested, so that we can discuss them.

As for the proponents having nothing to gain, there’s always the adulation, political kudos and the heading up of a faction under a common banner, constituted by those who are credulous enough to swallow this stuff without producing any convincing evidence.

'Luthon64

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Good Morining Vietnam!!! And thanks for getting back to :stuck_out_tongue: me

One thing is for sure, you definitely are sceptic and and I won’t be surprised if you are English, if you are Afrikaans then I would be surprised. Nothing wrong with being English, but you would know were we (Afrikaners) come from if you where Afrikaans.

My goal is not fight about who is wrong or who is right or any thing like that at all, I would just like to know if this is possible and how big is the risk. My opinion or the awnser to my question *

On the DVD Gustav draws a picture of SA’s current state and statistics from reliable sources, I’m not going to look up all the sources for you, and the puzzle he putts together is reasonable…

But You have not convinced me otherwise either and to be honest with you, I wish you could. The evidence I have is on the DVD and sources are mentioned there, there are so many websites and links to news websites and know you will be sceptic about that too and suppose that is your job… ( I have been spending more then two weeks on doing research for my self, cause that is the only person I need to convince)

I wouldn’t want waste my or your time trying to convince you, but what I can do arrange a copy of the DVD for you (and who ever wants to see it) and you can make your own conclusions.

As you might have noticed, * I have been convinced and not that I am easily confined and don’t expect any one else to be.

So, tomorrow I will talk to you about my first “Suidlanders” meeting and if it’s load of bull I’ll let you know, how’s that?

As far as the new Aids strain is concerned, I just hope I can stay away from the ones that might have it or do not get affected… Off the topic…I don’t know if you noticed, but the world is over populated, that is why are running out of resources and destroying our self’s “global warming, Aids” the list goes on and I know it sucks or it’s harsh but some thing needs to happen or will happen to restore the balance, what it is, none of us can say… :wink:

Chat Soon,

The Dude

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I suppose the english comment is directed at Luthon. In that case you are correct, but I don’t think it has anything to do with it. And you are wrong if you think that Afrikaners will be more accepting just because we have a better idea of where we come from, certainly not in my case.

I feel the same way.

It’s not about convincing anyone. People claim a conspiracy and we merely ask them to show the evidence for that claim. I won’t go out of my way trying to convince anyone that my views are correct, however, there has been ample opportunity for anyone to post convincing evidence, and still no one has. Which probably means that there isn’t any. So anyone reading this can see that there is not much merit to this claim.
As I said, I haven’t seen the DVD, and I’ll watch it if you send it to me, I’ll PM you. But why not post the more convincing arguments here? Then everyone can discuss it on it’s merits.

Sure, looking forward to it.

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I moved a lot of posts to a new board here: http://forum.skeptic.za.org/flame-wars/dudesuidlanderkvz-split-from-uhuru/
Please continue posting there unless you have something to contribute to the topic. Start a new thread if you don’t.

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Its too late and I’m too tired to say my say in detail today, but I would like you guys & gals to consider that the writer of the blogs of at least “meisiekind 2” and “ednaloy” are written by a guy. The style, content and rhetoric of their blogs are virtually identical to that of the narrater in Die Suidlanders’ scare dvd.

Also another point to ponder, is the fact that “not yet uhuru” is an international rally cry for international communists. For communists, the revolution is never over and freedom has never been attained.
Some detailed crits later. :slight_smile:

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The narrator being Gustav Muller.

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This will be my first and only post.

In light of current events, it is clear that you all are very naive. I suggest you go back and read meisiekins2’s original post very carefully. What was said there is already happening. If you want proof then sorry, I can’t give any. The only proof there is, is to see it for yourself. Trust me, it is real. Wake up people and prepare yourself not for what could happen, but what is already in motion.

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Can I at least ask what current events you are referring to?

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Hi guys…

Have been following the topic of UHURU for about a year or so and was sceptical from the outset but once I saw the DVD, things started to change. I became more alert to things going on around me. Now, Uhuru doesn’t necessarily have to be that organised. It’s a simple fact of the haves and the have not’s! If youre earning no salary and cost of living doubles, what happens? (28% of population) If youre earning a meagre salary while supporting 2 or 3 others and cost of living doubles, what happens? Youre forced into a situation of do or die. What the suidlanders are trying to get across is the fact that everything is in place, all we need is a spark. Like Mandela dying and we have a funeral for 7 days!!! Singing old songs, Uniting… After that week you have 2 choices, go back to working for the oppressor or start joining the other 70 000 looting, killing and destroying our country. I would join…

So, all it takes in this volatile environment is for 50 000 people to go wild and the whole country can go up in flames. I think the events referred to is the killing of foreigners.Im an economics major and I can tell you, looking at whats going on in the world, in SA and our Monetary polcies etc. were in BEEEEEEEEG trouble.

Good Luck to all, Ill send money to the suidlanders from Ireland (Where I hope ill be!).

Pawpaw1000

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Hi, and welcome to the forum. I hope you’ll stick around longer than most of the people in this thread seem to :wink:

Sure, but that is what the uhuru conspiricists are saying. That it is an organized plan waiting to be put in action by black people to get rid of white people.

Yes, but there are many ways to do. Most people won’t just start resorting to violence. Those that do, will be in the minority.

And this is why they won’t be taken seriously. The senario you are describing is just rediculous.
Besides, if the country is such a volatile environment, aren’t there better ways to solve the situation than to start spreading unfounded hate speech? Even if their intentions are good, they are not helping at all.

Yes, I suspect so too.

That is debatable, if you want to add some facts to that statement, please start another topic.

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Oh…alos :wink:
May I warn you bunch of skeptics of impending danger. Xenophobia is just the beginning. They are coming for the “Settlers” too. They are busy practicing. Laugh, joke, fight, disagree. But I know that when they come… they are gonna torch us just the way they are busy doing to the foreign nationals.
Have a nice day.
Kitty =^…^=

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ok, stem nie daarmee saam nie. Dont think this will spread to the settlers but it is proof of how powerless the government is against the masses…

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I just want to highlight pieces of a recent Mail & Guardian article. http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=339874&area=/insight/insight__national/.

Interviewing Jeppe hostel induna Simon Mvelase he said the following: “What makes the foreigner so lucky and special? How do they get the houses, the jobs, the cars and the businesses?”.

He said the government should have woken up a long time ago. If the maize price increased and people lost their jobs to foreigners, there had to be a revolt.

When is the question going to be, what makes a white person so lucky and special? A lot of us have jobs, houses and cars…

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Hi there,
Sorry for the long post…. But….hmmm… ja well no fine!

I know I am new here, and I am not one who jumps from blog to blog. I need to throw a cat among the pigeons. I also disassociate myself with politics in SA as there is really nothing we can do about it. However, when it comes to Ururu… maybe I can help. Firslty, to the person known as BT… let me explain why you have been uninformed. You state that the fraud charges in Balfour were dropped. NO they were not. The R92 000.00 was paid by “suidlanders” to get him off the case. This is not an assumption. It is public record. Please feel free to check. Secondly, The charges regarding the firearm did not evaporate into thin air, the case continues in Kerksdorp Regional Court 3 in September (also a matter of public record). This man is also being investigated for treason. (I bet you didn’t know that!!!) So you see…on just only those two points you have already been misinformed.

Now here it may get a bit dirty…. But without malice. You state that you know Mr. Gustav Muller well. I doubt that. When he started out he was squeaky clean. He stated that he did not want to be a leader, yet has now embraced that role wholeheartedly. They were not asking for money, yet they collect money on every front. Just check their websites. He was never a Military Intelligence officer of any kind, yet is extremely militant. He basically uses information that is given to him by fools and then catagorises it as his own. He preaches from the Word of God yet is living with a young lady and is still a married man (his poor wife). A really upstanding, considerate, law abiding, bible abiding citizen. He owes millions, and lives off the kindness (gullibility) of others mostly older folk. People who as myself saw DVD 1&2 are impressed and the man has a valid case for discussion, but when you get to DVD3&4 etc the wheels fall off.

Then we get to Meisiekind… aka Racheljie Be Beer… aka Tanya Du preez. It is for this soul I feel truly sorry. Maybe the fact that her husband (also on charges of firearms) ran off with Gustav’s secretary (who also happens to spew biblical verses continuously) may shed some light on the fact that she no longer sees herself as a comrade. I’d be pissed. Look at the bigger picture…

Kubaan… well you have jumped from site to site with your two cents… so I would say that you too could be a bit dicey. I think you are a whaky for having the balls to challenge the boer community so I will reserve judgement for when I meet you one day. You should know that anyone who shares negative views on the Big Boere Volk are traitors (ja nee). But at least you have done a bit of homework.

Hey DUDE, I am truly hoping you find all you are looking for in your meeting. I too am prepared for anything, but I will never again fall into a trap where I am led on by a fool. It takes a while for the pieces to fall into place… but when they do tit hurts like a bitch leaving you felling used, abused, and an utter idiot.
Proof… that I have… as I did my homework thoroughly, just to find that Gustav is a liar. His plans are not concrete, But I thank him for the effort. When you lie about small things people tend to wonder if you are lying about bigger things. It is soley due to Gustav that I am now a skeptic.

Hat’s off to Anacoluthon64. This man is intellectually sound and sarcastic at the same time. (My new hero….).

Skeptically

Scooby Doo ;D
PS: If you want to run with the dogs…. Don’t piss like a puppy!

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Hello, and welcome to the forum, scooby doo.

Actually, I’m a woman, but it’s very sweet and kind of you to say. In truth, I’d rather you looked to the hero inside yourself – you know, the one that has the courage to challenge and to question and to investigate as you describe yourself doing in your illuminating post.

So the hat’s off to you, too (with no sarcasm at all :slight_smile: ).

'Luthon64

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Hi there,

Good to know … now we have something in common. You see… it’s a woman thing! Thanks… Nothing like a good challenge!

Scooby Doo

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Hi to all that comment on this blog.

I have read the whole Uhuru blog from beginning to end. Interesting. I have a few cents worth of questions and info I would like to share. A lot of people, it seems, are trying to link Siener van Renburg to this phenomena. Could someone answer these questions.

  1. Who decides that a person that makes a prediction is suddenly a prophet?
  2. By what criteria do you claim the source of your prophecy?

I have read Snyman’s book about Siener van Rensburg. I don’t agree on a lot of assumptions drawn. Reason being that I have also studied extensively on Biblical prophecy. Therefor I would like to present a few pointers that I have discovered when studying prophecies.

  1. For any prophecy to be termed “Fulfilled” All aspects of the prophecy must be fulfilled also in chronological sequins it was given. As an example. If 5 specific points are mentioned, a, b, c, d, e. Then all 5 must be fulfilled and in the order given not a,c,e,b,& d.
  2. A very important criteria is that all the elements within a prophecy must be taken as literal unless the prophet explains the meaning of symbols used himself. - Just to explain this one. I don’t want to start a discussion on the Bible but have to use it as an example. If a prophecy in the Bible use symbols then only the Bible can give the meaning of the symbol. - So with Siener van Rensburg’s symbols, one will have to look at all his writings and see what he himself write about the meaning of the symbol.

That brings me to the source of the prophecy. No human being can predict the future. People can have dreams and speak to any psychologist and he will tell you that what ever bothers you in your subconscious, you tend to dream about. It is a process that our human brain uses to sort through things that needs to be put in place. The problem is that some people act upon a dream as if it was given by some divine intervention.

That brings me to a very important point. Who in this universe has the power to see what will happen tomorrow? If there is someone like that and he/she can tell me about it then we have to look at the reasons why a being like that would give it to me in the first place. If it is to save my life then I have a very serious question I would like to ask that being. Millions of people have died by worse catastrophic events than what Uhuru is supposed to be about. Why warn a small group of ‘boere’ when thousands are dying by an earthquake and thousands more by natural disasters that could be avoided if the people could be evacuated in time.

Now if there are such a Divine being that could do this he/ she will use a language that will not have 10 million different interpretations.

The tragedy of Uhuru is that with all the talk around it some people will use it as an excuse to kill and those that want it to be a fulfillment for whatever their reasons are, will say ‘I told you so’

Sorry about this long post. I am skeptical about these things yet I try to be realistic too.

Cheers.